Love our enemies; bomb our friends

By Von Hayek
Published: August 10, 2007, 10:52 PM

Obama bombing Pakistan 

When it comes to national defense, liberals are a peculiar bunch. Caught between their well funded, "no-borders" fringe and the practical choices offered by modern extremism, they're not entirely sure how to market a suitable strategy to the mainstream. On one hand, no one knows if liberals are willing to do whatever it takes to stave off an American Hiroshima; and on the other hand no one knows what the liberal definition of "whatever it takes" is.

This is a new problem for the Democratic Party. John F. Kennedy - a saint to the left - was not timid about war. Neither was Truman. A slew of Congressional Democrats such as Lester Maddox, Bill Tauzin, and George Wallace also favored big-stick diplomacy. We can also recognize John Tanner, Joe Lieberman, Zell Miller and Bill Clinton as modern members of this group. But that group stopped accepting new membership with the close of the 20th century.

Early in the running for the 2008 presidency, Barack Obama set himself as the anti-war candidate who, opposite of Hillary, was able to politicize foreign policy with a clear conscience. One might imagine that this platform has lead Obama to the considerable market share he now claims. But several days ago in Washington DC, he shifted gears and began discussing areas of the world in which he would conduct war. Obama said “If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf will not act, we will.” Since then, he has continued to outline steps for persuading Pakistan to cough up Bin Laden, wielding military action eagerly.

This is no small political statement. Pakistan is the world's sixth largest country by population and a member of the nuclear club. But above all, it is an ally of the US as its economy continues to develop and thrive.

While it is refreshing - and unusual - to hear any Democrat make bold military declarations against terrorism, these statements could cost Obama the moral high ground on which he campaigns. It isn’t logical that his remarks will persuade conservatives because his stand on social issues is left of center. He only stands to lose the disciple fringe, nothing more.  Obama’s sudden lash-out on Pakistan was most likely caused by Hillary’s recent jabs at his political immaturity, but the motive is irrelevant. This pattern is rampant throughout the modern Democratic Party.

In January of 2007, Clinton said "I'm not going to cut American troops' funding right now because they're in harm's way."  Yet only six months later in July, she voted to do precisely that.  It is understandable that the Iraq conflict has opposition, and that the opposition has valid arguments to be made.  But completely changing sides on war policy every few months will destroy her credibility as aspiring Commander in Chief.  Dick Morris put it succinctly in Front Page when he summarized: "Hillary's constant flip-flopping on Iraq will bring her no end of grief in the primaries".  John Kerry lost the 2004 general election for no other reason.

The liberal base would suggest that the Democratic sweep of the 2006 congressional elections proves that their marketing is stable and effective.  But congressmen are not presidents. They do not make decisions regarding the military, despite their best efforts of late.  As "evil" as Republicans might seem, they may continue to win presidential elections as long as terrorism rages and liberals cannot demonstrate a consistent national defense strategy.

Certainly, there are legitimate differences between Bush’s reasons for attacking Iraq and Obama’s plans for Pakistan. One should not assume that Obama is some sort of closet warmonger. He has addressed a valid complaint among the citizenry: where is Bin Laden and why have we not captured or killed him? But attacking Pakistan as a culpable participant is harmful on several levels.

First, President Musharraf has been a political ally of the US (and President Bush specifically) before, during and after the war on terrorism began. He has allowed US troops to police areas of his country and added his own military to the fray. In fact, it was Pakistan that helped us find and capture Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the dubious 9/11 mastermind. It is true that there are a lot of terrorists hiding amongst the wilds of Pakistan.  It is also true the Musharraf sent his army in after them, and only backed off after three assassination attempts on himself.  In just the last month, his army successfully assaulted a heavily-armed extremist mosque in the center of his capital, killing a powerful imam and arresting several others.  So, while we might wish for more, a strong argument can be made that Musharraf is doing the best he can under very trying circumstances, including the strong opposition of an enormous number of his own countrymen.

Second, history shows that, whenever possible, you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.  Japan and Germany are free countries and American allies today, not because we kept chucking bombs at them after they surrendered, but because we wisely helped their economies grow.  The first order of business was to remove their hateful leaders; once that was accomplished, economic growth was the path to peace and friendship.  Similarly, we could not hope for a more helpful leader in a strongly Islamic country than is General Musharraf; assuming we do not wish to take over and attempt to run the place ourselves, we do well to do whatever we can to keep him in office.  Right now, that means economic aid - and indeed, massive American economic aid to Pakistan over the last several years has led to a growing middle class that generally supports many of Musharraf's policies in opposition to Islamist terror.  Eventually, the bill for dictatorship will need to be paid, but Pakistani civil society is not yet strong enough to sustain a proper democracy, as has been clearly illustrated by its less than successful history since independence.

There are other contradictions afoot. Why would Obama respect "actionable intelligence" with regards to Pakistan when Bush’s "actionable intelligence" regarding Iraq (and confirmed by Russia, England, Israel, Italy, Poland, and indeed Saddam Hussein's own generals after their capture) can be so freely discarded today?  Will we be hearing "Barack Lied, Thousands Died" in a few years?

Historically, liberals have always feared countries with large militaries and vastly different cultures. So we can rest assured that Obama – if elected – will never actually attack Pakistan. But using that issue as campaign fuel will destroy his base. Even worse, it will undermine one of the few friendships the US has left in the Middle East.  Obama's threat alone, has forced Musharraf to fail to attend a major regional summit of local leaders called the "Peace Jirga," which was an attempt to settle differences between Pakistan and Afghanistan.  Could that meeting have led to progress and stability?  We'll never know now.

Von Hayek is a staff writer for Scragged.com.  Read other Scragged.com articles on war, national defense, Pakistan, Barack Obama, 2008 election, terrorism and nuclear
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  • Mark Adams said:

    Wow, I read few things that set up more strawmen or mischaracteried Liberals, Democrats or specific candidates positions so often and so shallowly narrow to fit within a meme perpetuated solely to make a specious case based on a fictitious understanding of policy and history.

    Well done sir.  You are a first class hack.

    August 11, 2007 11:37 AM
  • fred.soto@gmail.com said:

    In your article you made this statement: "The liberal base would suggest that the Democratic sweep of the 2006 congressional elections proves that their marketing is stable and effective.  But congressmen are not presidents. They do not make decisions regarding the military,.... As "evil" as Republicans might seem, they may continue to win presidential elections as long as terrorism rages and liberals cannot demonstrate a consistent national defense strategy."

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    You seem to have a firm grasp of conservative policy and arguments, but you fail to recognize the legitimacy of the opposition.  To try and 'distinguish' 2006 from 2008 over powers inherent in legislative and executive branches is an interesting political argument, but it would be foolish to dismiss 2006 as anything but a referendum on the Iraq War.  To suggest 2008 will somehow be different is optimistic, but the same arguments were made in 2006 and it didn't go very well.  If you don't believe me, google 2006 elections and unamerican democrats, or some variation.  It'll likely reflect the ideas that were going through your head at the time.  

    Furthermore, and this is key: the issue with 'crying wolf' is nothing to ignore.  People aren't fans of being on edge indefinitely because a politician decides to drop the 'T' bomb to encourage political support.  The "Unamerican" and "Unpatriotic" arguments were so intense in 2004 that Americans (especially those that sit on the fence regarding politics) are really angry and looking for terrorist blood, and I'm not talking about al Qaida.  Rudy Giuliani is struggling early because of this and if the conservative base doesn't get its act together,  it's going to be a rough election year,.. again.  

    Republicans are living in FEAR of terrorists, your policies are entirely based on FEAR."  This is a serious problem.  Lately, you all sound like a bunch of pussies --pardon my french.  I'd rather die at the hands of al Qaida drooling idiots with bombs strapped around their waist than see my freedoms diminished, my privacy rights undermined, and Constitution desecrated... and that is exactly where conservative policies are headed.   Your well-meaning paternalistic policies will end the conservative movement, it is going to get ugly FAST.

    Finally, some constructive criticism: by reading this article, I know -every- argument you would make on -every- important policy issue.  Your argumentation skills are high, and I'll definitely subscribe to your blog, but as the poster above mentioned, you've engaged in Partisan hackery and that leaves little room for intellectual discourse and independent thinking.  

    August 11, 2007 1:04 PM
  • Von Hayek said:

    Fred, thanks for leaving some specifics.  Our previous friend was not so inclined.

    You are right about 2006.  The outrage STILL rages it would seem, and I'm not sure the average voter is confident enough about the system to "make a statement" by just targeting congressional elections.  Rather, one hopes a vote is weighty enough to make some difference.  But if you recall, there was a good deal of angst in 2004 as well.  Bush ended up globbering Kerry handily, and no one was more amazed than I.  Add to that the fact that the polls show the approval rating for the Democrat majority in Congress to be LOWER than that of Bush - dare it seem possible?  I suspect the citizenry really DOES want a President who will abuse whatever he has to abroad in order to prevent future terrorist acts from happening at home.

    Thanks for your feedback; my associates and I welcome all criticism.  Iron sharpeneth iron... As to my stand on policies - they are probably not as "predictably GOP" as you might think.  

    August 11, 2007 1:34 PM
  • fred.soto@gmail.com said:

    What GOP strategists did in 2004 was alienate the middle, and I'm peeved about it.  I have over a dozen uncles and cousins who served in wars going back to World War II.  They did so proudly and despite knowing the dangers, I was prepared to serve as well.  

    I've suffered from disabilities that make me a liability in the military,  but I love my country, I'd die for my country, and it is infuriating when anyone suggests otherwise!  For this reason, I struggle to support the GOP despite leaning conservative on most issues.  (except 1st Amendment) Instead of seeking the Republican party, I've been forced towards Libertarian thought and appreciate the Ron Pauls, Newt Gingrich /  Pat Buchanans of the world.

    I've recognized there is a need to thrust patriotism in the face of political adversaries in order to dismiss the opposition (e.g. policy dissenters political or not) as 'crazy.'   Yet, I cant help but feel rage when the tactic is used to coerce a nation into blind submission.  Aside from the obvious, constitutional freedoms, what makes America special is our foundation and growth resulting from political discourse engaged in by brilliant founders

    Regarding Bush and Kerry in 2004,  while vile and borderline unethical, the Swift Boat veterans and sponsors were -brilliant- offshoots of GOP political strategy.  Whether you agree or not, I feel that the Swift Boat group was able to stay afloat due to the waves of terror and scathing attacks on people's patriotism that helped keep President Bush's ratings respectable.  The veterans also tipped the scales in 2004 and all but ensured Bush the Presidency.

    Finally, on Congressional ratings vs. the President Bush all time lows.  Here is what you and I both know:

    1) Republicans served as a rubber stamp for bush for 6 years and received everything he asked for.  (hence 2006 referendum / GOP ousting)

    2) Democrats as a minority had no choice but to submit or risk being branded unamerican, unpatriotic and enemies of God.  I think it is a cowardly move to exploit God and country, but it continues as evidenced by today's Iowa Straw Poll speeches.  

    3) post-2006 Congress is led by Democrats.  Every piece of legislation that threatens to step out of line with the Republican's agenda is threatened by Veto or Filibuster.  How can they achieve anything without votes to override a veto?  They cannot.  What results is nothing gets done unless Congress (Democrats) submit (yet again) to the partisan / un-American attacks on their policy direction.  

    4) Congress has a lower approval rating because Democrats, moderates, centered and Libertarians are disgusted with the lack of principles that exist in Congress.

    We went from a rubber stamping Congress to a punching bag Congress that continues to yield to Bush out of fear of losing votes to the center in 2008.

    People are genuinely afraid, feel threatened, and rising against those who stifle dissent.  If you accept my assertion that 2006 was a referendum on war, then it naturally follows that Congress was elected by people to 'change the course' and they have failed.   The low congressional rating is a reflection of Congress in its entirety, not just the Democratic cowards who refuse to stand up for principle out of fear of losing their jobs.  

    The only way this will end well for Democrats is if they win the Presidency and retain Congress as a result of their 'failed' principles.   If that happens, the GOP will be miserable and we may end up walking the same dangerous line, but next time it'll be with a liberal bent and that too would be unfortunate.  Lets not forget how strong the executive has become, Hillary Clinton with a strong Democrat Congress is frightening and the only reason we aren't shaking in our boot is because Hillary Clinton is conservative enough that her policy beliefs may force gridlock on issues that matter and so the status quo would reign for another four to eight years.  

    Sorry for the lengthy post, my passions sometimes get the better of me.  Cheers.

    August 11, 2007 6:35 PM
  • Mark Adams said:

    Discounting the role corruption played in 2006 is to whistle past the grave, little difference that it ultimately made.  Bob Ney left congress in disgrace only to be replaced by a "Blue Dog" Democrat who voted along with the GOP for both the "surge" funding and FISA reforms.  Conservative control of Congress is not in jeopardy although some of those conservatives caucus with the Democratic Party, many of them freshmen like Zack Space.  The loss of Tom DeLay and his ability to get everyone on the same page is a cost the GOP has not fully appreciated to date.  But Congress is reliably conservative -- at least on foreign and military matters.

    As for the 2004 election, while I blame Kerry's "nuance" almost as much as the despicable Swift Boaters for the mangling of his messages, its ridiculous to say, "Bush ended up globbering Kerry handily," when Ohio State's stadium would only be half-way filled up with the voters who would have given us another JFK(erry) had they voted against "W" instead of for him.  Seriously Von, if you cannot put politics in an honest historical perspective, you have no business waxing on as if you know what you're talking about.  Out of over 120 million votes cast, Bush won by only 3 million.  While I'm not sure how much is in a "globbering," is it really less than 2 and a half per-cent?  PuhLeezze.  50,000 Ohio voters change their mind (or actually have their votes count) and we would be having an entirely different discussion.

    I am gratified, however, to see some conservatives recognize that Hillary Clinton is indeed a conservative.  That is an objective fact that is seldom acknowledged in the media, let alone anywhere but the progressive blogosphere.  The GOP's coalition of the religious right with fiscal conservatives and commercial imperialists is falling apart due to three things:

    1. It's inherent internal inconsistencies.  A truly Christian nation doesn't evangelize via the sword (even if they are spreading "democracy" and not their particular creed) and is far more compassionate than the militant wing or tax-cutting industrial expansionists will allow.  The religious have been betrayed through the war and a depraved indifference to the common man's plight.

    2.) Reminiscent of Reagan's economy, government has grown exponentially through irresponsible deficit spending, placing us at the mercy of our largest competitors (under Reagan, it was Japan, now it's China) who hold so much of our debt (almost a Trillion dollars) that it leaves us in a very weak bargaining position when dealing in the global marketplace.  The volatile financial markets of the 80's and our present predicament stand in stark contrast to the steady record growth in the 90's.  Yes, yes, I remember the tech bubble, but that's nowhere near as catastrophic as the housing and credit crisis we are just now starting to realize or the S&L implosion in the 80's.  And by the way, did everyone finally figure out our infrastructure has been grossly neglected? This effect everybody, not just speculators.  Bottom line, fiscal conservatives have been betrayed.

    3) Arrogant hubris led to corruption, cronyism and incompetence for all to see.  The "globbering" led the administration to act as though it really had the mandate it spoke of, and after 2004 with no need to worry about reelection, the betrayed wings of the GOP are recognizing that only the military-industrialists who demand conflicts, a global marketplace secured by the U.S. armed forces, and tax-cuts to allow hording of their unholy wealth, are the only folks truly benefiting from the "powers that be" only catering to that which perpetuates their continued power.  The corruption I spoke of at the top of this more detailed commentary, folks like Duke Cunningham and Foley, are merely a symptom of an overall decay of the "quaint" ethical standards we as Americans ought to expect from those we endow with our trust -- that they will do that which benefits all of us, not just their base.  It spreads from the top down, the idea that the ends justify the means, and the arrogance that they are right and more righteous than thou -- thus their focus on sustaining and expanding their personal prerogatives has made them lose sight of why conservatives convinced the public that they deserved our trust in the first place.  We all have been betrayed.

    August 11, 2007 11:55 PM
  • Von Hayek said:

    Mark, to have an "honest historical perspective", one must examine history.  The percentages are important in elections, not the actual number.  It doesn't matter that George Bush won by 3 million votes, but that he won the majority of votes at 52%.  According to the Democratic Party, that is the mark of a President who "really won" an election - winning the electoral vote AND the majority of votes.  In 2004, Bush was the first president to do that in 16 years.  Add to that the fact that Bush went into Big Tuesday behind in the polls and that pundits were claiming 2004 would be as close as 2000.  Between the two of us, it would seem that I have no misconceptions of history.

    Both of you gentlemen are greatly mistaken on Hillary.  While she may be a political opportunist, she is no conservative.  Spend some time reading "Rewriting History" by Morris.  He examines the last 3 decades of her career, and highlights the great political differences between her and Bill.  The mainstream media paints her as a conservative because they're torn,  In order to see the real Hillary, you have to dig into her history before the limelight forced her to wear thicker makeup.  Consider her call for national health care LONG before it was popular.  Consider how she trumpets social security and calls for higher taxes nonstop.  Are these conservative values?  Not at all.  Classically, Hillary is a die-hard Stalinist who has recently learned from Bill that being popular is more important than developing personal values.  This works much better on the left than it does on the right although the GOP IS learning quickly.

    Mark, I would suspect that you see conservatism as the hollow allegory of fear and xenophobia the MSM has contrived.  This does you no favors as you analyze "Partisan hackery".

    Stay tuned.  Doubtless, there will be more articles exposing facts and dispelling fiction.

    August 12, 2007 9:42 AM
  • Mark Adams said:

    How on earth do you spew out all encompassing statements that allegedly speak for the Democratic Party perceptions.  You make a good argument for your opinion that a popular and electoral win is a "big win" IN YOUR OPINION.   But you are out on a thin limb to speak for the Democrats.

    But to argue that I can avoid hackery by studying Dick Morris really jumps the shark, especially from someone who argues that style -- being liked -- trumps policy (hint: being out in front on an issue before it is a mainstream value is called leadership), yet represents a position from people who gave us a geriatric actor in the 80's, a vacuous empty suit today, and are looking for another Law And Order actor to save the party next year.  "Learning quickly?"  You guys wrote the book.

    But perhaps you misread both me and the MSM when it comes to fear and xenophobia.  These are indeed contrary to conservative values -- but the leadership of the conservative movement use these tools constantly and the MSM parrots those simplistic talking points without any critical analysis.  It's a game of demonizing the opposition by conflating them with an external enemy that dates back to the Red-Baiting of the McCarthy era.  Equating Hillary Clinton with Stalin is par for the course in such nonsense.  

    August 12, 2007 12:00 PM
  • Von Hayek said:

    The mantra of "real wins" from the DNC came after Gore lost to Bush in 2000.  The DNC pundits claimed that Bush - irrespective of the whole "stolen" silliness - could not have been the citizen's president because he didn't really win.  Read the DNC's commentary on the election back in Jan and Feb of 2001.

    There is no need to guess or speculate about Hillary.  Simply read what Hillary has written and stated herself.  Her thesis in college praising Saul Alinsky?  Her recent statements about the US "being too much of an ownership society".  Then read some history on Stalin and Lenin.  She defines herself as a political namesake to both these characters.

    August 12, 2007 12:47 PM
  • Mark Adams said:

    Hmm, so the case can be made that Hillary is no conservative.

    Well ... DUH!

    How far do you think she would have got in the Democratic Primary, even for the Senate, running on the GOP platform.  Not even Joe Lieberman came out with his most conservative positions until he was safely reelected.

    Thank you for that insightful analysis that a Democrat who as of late touts herself as a "progressive" isn't promoting Newt Gingrich's agenda.  But what she has done is promote - and vote for - a centrist position that is more in line with conservatives, both in the Democratic as well as the Republican Parties.

    But geez Von, just because she courts pro-business factions doesn't make her a fascist anymore than desiring a more equitable distribution of wealth than the current system encourages (which concentrates more and more into fewer pockets) doesn't make her a communist either.

    Lenin desired the elimination of the ownership class, a revolution, not merely placing reasonable checks on them.  Stalin was a murderous despot, that only relied on ideology in a tangential sense.  I'm amused that folks so often fall into the trap of invoking monsters when framing an argument that in real terms probably only means a 15% change in the capital gains tax.  

    What you need to do is stop looking for similarities between Democrats and Autocrats, and study the very real differences between the policies of the DLC and the liberal/progressive base of the Democratic Party before you begin anew to paint half of the electorate with your broad paintbrush.

    Believe me, I can make a far more convincing case that what is left of the conservative movement -- the corporatist enabling militaristic wing -- has far more in common with fascism than the tired bugaboo we've been hearing for 70 years that any Democrat espousing social justice and decrying economic disparity is a Commie.  Your argument is simply trite and stale, lacking imagination and serious perception.

    Rhetoric is wonderful, but votes matter.  Obama and Hillary have identical voting records save their endorsement of Gates as SecDef. From the AUMF up until the last supplemental funding bill, Hillary has consistently voted for every request the Pentagon made.  That is NOT the position of the progressive base.  That is not the act of a screaming socialist.  For an example of that, see Dennis Kucinich's record.

    While voting against a Constitutional Amendment prohibiting flag burning, she turned around and voted for a bill that would outlaw such activity -- despite the conundrum that such a law would be unconstitutional without changing the First Amendment.  That is the act of a calculating politician staking out the middle ground, not someone that can be labeled an extreme ideologue on the right or left.

    In '94, she and her husband made a choice between selling NAFTA over health care transformation.  That choice, deciding which battle was both winnable and more worthy of the other, speaks volumes about her priorities.  

    She consistently portrays herself as tough, more hard-line when it comes to military and anti-terror initiatives -- always to the right of her opponents in the primaries.  She accepts GOP framing of the issue -- rejecting the notion that the War on Terror has been more useful as a bludgeon to beat down Democrats with a slogan than any effect it has had on making us or the world safer, the reason John Edwards calls it a "bumper-sticker" that exposes the Administration as being less than serious about effectively eliminating the very real threats we face around the world.

    That failure to act as if they seriously meant to follow through with their rhetoric is why Iraq is a failed state and so many have now abandoned Bush.  The irony is that domestic political considerations trumped policy goals in refusing to ever commit the personnel and resources necessary to do the job right, and now the inevitable failure to execute the occupation properly has destroyed the ability of the GOP to retain power -- which was always first and foremost in the mind of Bush's principle adviser, Karl Rove.

    Foisting an inarticulate empty suit like George Bush on the American people who always put politics before policy is the petard upon which the GOP, his loyal rubber stamp apologists, is now hoisted.

    August 12, 2007 2:28 PM
  • Von Hayek said:

    No, Hillary is not a murderous despot, but we are only discussing political goals and ends, not the fruition of absolute power which Stalin and Lenin both had.  Your view of history seems limited to the past century and from within the conveniences of US jurisprudence.

    The point here is not that Hillary wants to kill anyone or completely remove the ownership class (yet).  Rather, the motive and underpinnings of certain ideologies.  Thugs and dictators are born no different than you or I.  Reading deeply into their past (and using those pasts as examples) can shed light on their future results.  Hitler for instances (and Nazism in general) is used by the left when discussing the "facist" nature of Bush or Cheney.  Yet that is historically inaccurate from start to finish.  Nazism was the enemy of captilism.  It was was the enemy of limited government and federalism.  What a travesty that our education system does not more thoroughly discuss this.

    I suspect this conversation could go on forever.  We both observe the political and socioeconomic status of the US from two vastly different glasses.  As to whose glass is more dark?  I'm sure we both disagree on that as well.

    August 12, 2007 3:26 PM
  • jimjeffers said:

    Partison??  OMG!  You guys ever heard of Markos Malitos?  That buffoon and his legions do nothing but spew vitriol at the right.  This starts off directly against liberals, but it builds a good case.  Each point could be an entire chapter.  JFK, Clinton, even Zell Miller WERE ACTUALLY mainstream Democrats (or "liberals") if you prefer of their day.  There is nothing fearful about "striking first"!

    August 12, 2007 3:33 PM
  • one said:

    The best think about what Mr. Obama said is that it makes America unpredictable.  Mr. Reagan dropped a bomb on Mr. Gadaffi.  that made a lot of other bad guys sit up and act a bit nicer.  They all know that we know where they live and with GPS, we can drop a rock on them.

    Mr. Bin Laden may be content to skulk in the wilderness of Pakistan, but most rulers want a bit more comfort than that.  Comfort requires a fixed address, and with a fixed address comes vulnerability.

    Our enemies blew up our embassies and one of our ships because they were certain that Mr. Clinton would do nothing.  Giving our enemies cause to think twice would be a good thing.  What do you think the old toast "confusion to our enemies" meant?

    August 31, 2007 9:51 PM

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